I’m a woman in my early 20s with Black membership (though I ended up asking the men about this).

The whole point of papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) is that you can say no, so why put up with it? You should just discuss your terms upfront, like: “An allowance of at least ___,” “Up to three hours if we’re only going to a room,” “Up to four hours for dinner,” and then part ways with any papa (a male supporter) who won’t agree. Why not simply state your preferences and terms? Besides, is it really enjoyable having dinner with some creepy older man you don’t even like? In Fuu’s case, I’ll accommodate what the other person wants. Some women prefer just going to a room without dinner, while others genuinely want to have a proper meal—in which case I’ll take them to a nice restaurant. Somehow, I feel like he’s probably not a “black” type. Maybe he’s just trying to look cool and wants to call himself “black”—though he could be. lol He kind of seems “gold” to me. These days, soaplands even offer full-service options starting at around ¥20,000. If that’s a better deal for you and you can earn money there, then go work at a soapland. Working in the sex industry seems tough because you can’t refuse even the most unhygienic, creepy old men.

A former soapland worker being considered a red flag… It doesn’t matter to me anymore since I’ve left the service, but I’d always avoided people with experience in the sex industry, so I’m a little disappointed.

I overwhelmingly tend to meet women for an adult relationship (intimate) only. We meet at the room and part ways there. I do it that way because it reduces the amount of time we both have to spend together, so I feel it’s a win-win. Do you really want to sit down and have a leisurely meal with your papa (a male supporter)? Someone might see you, and I’m not exactly handsome. The only time I have sex after a meal is usually on a first date with a Type C woman. Otherwise, we generally meet and part ways at the room, and the whole thing usually lasts around two hours. The exceptions are the top-tier girls in my monthly arrangements. I often meet them for dinner only. That said, I also get along well with women who only do adult relationships (intimate). If we part ways after about an hour and a half, it’s good value for them. I’ve continued dating this way all along, and there have been far fewer cases where we didn’t become friendly than cases where we did. Occasionally, a woman invites me out for a meal after sex, but I usually decline because I want to work. Besides, there’s no way these girls actually like me, so I assume they’re probably forcing themselves to invite me anyway. I’ve only traveled with one woman. If I’m going to travel, I’d rather work. I’m fighting for my life every day, so work comes first. Since work comes first, we meet and part ways at the room. And if that makes it feel like a sex-work service to you, there’s nothing that can be done about that. We’re simply not a good match. For a papa, making money and giving as much of it as possible to the woman is almost directly tied to her happiness, so I don’t see myself changing this style. I personally can’t imagine a woman putting up with being tied up for four hours every time for a meal and sex. And spending five hours in a room for an adult relationship (intimate)? That would mean paying an absolutely ridiculous amount extra. Update: Kamikōki-san, whether a woman sees me as “the best-value papa” is the most important KPI for me, too. I’m very likely to be well-liked that way. I wonder why other papas don’t do the same. When you keep someone tied up for a long time, their heart starts to close off, just like it did for you, right? There’s no way that’s going to work. I think it’s perfectly fine to part ways right after ejaculation, haha. If it ends up giving off a sex-work-service vibe, I think that’s because the man lacks communication skills. That said, I have this detached way of thinking because I’m a papa who would never genuinely fall in love. If I ever did genuinely fall for a PJ, I might want to spend a really long time with her, I guess. Though I’d probably get rejected, haha. If I genuinely fell for her and kept her around for too long, that is.

> My question is, are there a lot of people using Universe as a substitute for a delivery escort service like this? I’m not entirely sure, but I don’t think many people use a delivery escort service for four or five hours, so I don’t really understand why you see this as a substitute for one. Even if you’re referring to the fact that they go straight to a hotel without a meal, wouldn’t the difference be that, unlike a soapland, a delivery escort service doesn’t offer full intercourse? > If you compare it to a soapland, a high-end one would cost ¥60,000–70,000 for 120 minutes, and over ¥120,000 for 240 minutes. I’m not sure what level of high-end soapland you mean, but is ¥120,000 for 240 minutes the amount the man pays the establishment, or the amount the woman receives? If it’s the latter, would that mean it’s a luxury establishment where the man pays around ¥200,000? And are you simply thinking, “This feels kind of questionable,” while accepting it as it is? I’m not really sure what the question itself is getting at, but if you feel that way and still want to continue, then that’s fine. If you want to quit, then you can just quit. No one is forcing you. You’re free to choose. Although, as usual, I suspect you’re only trying to study the habits of the people answering...

I also tend to have dates at home. However, if it’s only home dates, it can start to feel just like the kind of escort service the questioner mentioned. So as a rule, I keep in touch regularly—one exchange of messages each day—to share updates and stay connected.

Huh? You’re back. Welcome back?? I feel like both sides are equally at fault. That isn’t a date. People don’t normally have dates like that. Hadn’t you gone back to working in the adult entertainment industry? That said, hotels these days may have karaoke, all kinds of games, pools, ping-pong tables, billiards, darts, heated stone spas, saunas, open-air baths—you name it. Some even allow you to go out, and of course food delivery is fine too. So it’s possible to have a good time even without a pandemic. Also, is it really possible for a Black-tier woman to be treated so poorly—spending four or five hours in a hotel just for an adult relationship? It’s strange~~ > If you wrap things up after an hour and a half or so, it’s good value for the woman. I can really relate to this. Many papa-katsu women do think that way, and especially Black-tier women—or Black-tier women with an added premium—are popular and can earn money anywhere, so they place even more importance on efficiency. If you keep dates to around two or three hours, taking this into account, the woman won’t cut you off. Compared with a papa who’s a hassle when it comes to scheduling, date length, and overall efficiency, you can be far more advantageous. Even if the man wants to meet four or five times and then call it quits, the woman keeps inviting him out to the point where he starts wondering, “She’s still coming?” Maybe Black-tier women simply never imagine that they themselves might be cut off. Even from the wording, there’s no sign of her sensing it—the way another woman probably would.

As usual, this is probably bait, but I’m in the mood to answer on the assumption that the question is genuine. From what I’ve heard from the women I’ve dated, men who skip the meal are in the minority. I’ve also dated women with experience in the adult-entertainment industry, and based on what they told me, they’re a minority there as well. Skipping the meal means they have no reason to meet you other than sex. If there are really that many men like that, then I’d say that, for most men, you don’t have any appeal beyond that. The date pattern I most often have with someone I’m still getting to know is about two hours for a meal and two hours in a room. Once we become closer, it varies depending on the person: we might play golf, travel, or simply stay in. Even when we don’t go out, I don’t want to eat convenience-store bento, so we’ll order delivery or she’ll make something. Just as you’re comparing papa-katsu with the adult-entertainment industry in terms of value for money, the men you meet may be doing the same comparison. You seem dissatisfied with the allowance per hour, but I get the impression that they only see you as a low-cost alternative to a sex service.