Regarding the allowance:

There are probably all kinds of opinions between men and women when it comes to allowances. I’ve been a member for six years now, and looking back, I spent quite a while wandering around trying to figure things out. After plenty of twists and turns, over the past few years things have finally become much more stable by sticking to the same terms. And no matter what type of person she is, if our terms don’t match, I simply—and cleanly—withdraw. Ultimately, it’s up to you, but the part that caught my attention was “no matter how good he is...” If that’s how you feel, then you already have your answer: you should only accept five. Clearly, but gently, tell him what terms you’re looking for. It may be a hassle, but if you can think of that as one of the real pleasures of a dating club, I feel your experience will become much more enjoyable. My terms aren’t particularly high. However, I always give transportation costs in addition to the allowance. This may not be my place to say, but since transportation costs are essential for the first meeting, I think it looks bad to stop covering them from the second meeting onward. It’s not as though my manners are especially polished to begin with, so I try to keep up appearances just a little. When I was young, I worked part-time at a Chinese restaurant that happened to be right near a yakuza office. The boss loved the restaurant’s tenshinhan and would come in often. We exchanged a few words and eventually became familiar with each other. Here’s a reenactment of one of our conversations: “Hey, you work hard. Are you a student?” “Yes, I go to ○ University.” “I see. Study hard for the sake of Japan. Here’s some money for your books.” He tried to press a 10,000-yen bill into my hand. The owner had told us never to accept anything beyond payment for the meal, so I replied, “I can’t accept this.” That was when the boss gave me a line that later became my personal motto: “A man can’t take back something once he’s offered it!” Recently, I gave Emily, my current favorite, some money for a birthday present. When she hesitated, my personal motto came flying out once again: “How can a man take back something once he’s offered it?!” Emily gave me an awkward smile.

I think the key with an elite dating club is to adjust the allowance based on what the arrangement involves. You should negotiate an allowance that reflects the time commitment, what’s expected, and how stressful it is. That said, when you say, “Even if he’s a great guy, I still lose interest emotionally,” it also sounds like you’d be satisfied with anyone as long as the allowance were good. If that’s the case, I can’t help thinking that sex work might suit you better than an elite dating club. Still, as long as you’re receiving offers, all you can do is wait until you find a papa who matches your terms. (I do understand wanting at least 50,000 yen in allowance from this club.)

Lately, way too many old guys have been showing up, lol. Never push yourself, no matter what! The golden rule is to date someone you genuinely feel is worth it at these terms. No matter how generous or low the allowance is, keep things comfortable and enjoyable.

It’s really just a matter of supply and demand, so I suppose it can’t be helped. There are more women in the lower-allowance tier now, including street-based dating and papa-katsu through sites like Happy Mail. With the Japanese market declining, there are fewer wealthy papas (male supporters) around. Competition will likely arise based on overall appearance—face, body type, and so on—as well as enthusiasm and hospitality in the adult relationship (intimate). Those who make papas feel that 5 is worth paying will stand out. Conversely, beautiful women may receive more offers concentrated on them and be able to command a higher allowance. You could choose to turn down anyone who isn’t willing to pay 5, or, if there are simply too many people offering 3 or 4, aim to meet two people at 4 each, or see multiple people at 4. Assess your own value calmly, work on your self-branding, and think about how much allowance you want as you go about it.

> Do you recommend putting up with someone like that and continuing, or ending things? There’s no one-size-fits-all recommendation. If you feel the benefits of continuing outweigh the frustration, then keep seeing him. But if putting up with it is emotionally draining and painful, you can simply stop meeting him. Honestly, I don’t really understand why you started seeing someone else when you were specifically looking for someone at 5. If you decided that 5 is your minimum, you can just turn down anyone offering less. Even in chats on PATOLO, quite a few women turn down offers below 5. I always thought saying no when you’re not satisfied was a normal thing to do, but is it really that difficult? Of course, there’s a difference between ideals and reality, so you do need to decide where you’re willing to compromise. But once you compromise, it means you’ve accepted that compromise yourself. You’re also free to keep pursuing your ideal forever and wait until you meet someone who understands your worth.

Based on the statistics as of today, the vast majority were offering an allowance of 5.0. At Universe Club, I believe 3.0 and 4.0 are still relatively uncommon. It also depends on whether you’re talking about PATOLO or arrangements through Universe Club. However, if you’re often being offered 3.0 or 4.0, I’m sorry to say that there may be something about your own approach that could be improved as well.

This person’s age and gender also haven’t changed from the previous post, and this is their second question ↓ ---------- My papa (a male supporter) forced himself on me and ejaculated inside me. Please advise me on what to do going forward. He’s a papa I’ve known for about a year. His information includes his real name, address... 2025/01/24 01:54 Female, 20s, Universe female member 71673 https://universe-club.jp/help/questions/view/17475 ---------- I debated whether to add this to my earlier response, but apparently app rates have been declining over the past two or three years. Three is now the most common amount, while four is considered an ideal supporter. Universe may be changing little by little as well. The papas are constantly changing, too. The questioner’s frustration is similar to an old shopkeeper complaining that customers no longer come to shop like they used to. We have no choice but to adapt to the changes ourselves. I can’t offer any specific suggestions on how to do that, but complaining about the changing times won’t get us anywhere. > As of today, the statistics showed that there were overwhelmingly more people receiving an allowance of 5.0. Are you referring to this (↓)? https://universe-club.jp/newsroom/123220/

You’re an adult, so I believe that’s something you should decide for yourself based on your own circumstances. If you can’t make that judgment, I don’t think you should be dating at all, so I’d recommend ending the relationship and leaving the site as well.