Tips Sep 2, 2024 06:13

I won’t mention any specific names, but some papa-katsu blogs say things like, “I do this without an adult relationship.” I can understand it as a minority arrangement if it’s only with a few people. But when someone says they see more than ten men at least once a month, all on a “no adult relationship” basis, and that “some men even give me ¥100,000,” I honestly can’t understand it as a man.

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Even if she were Miss Universe, I wouldn’t be interested in meeting her just to meet. Are there really that many men out there who are satisfied with those terms? Am I actually the minority here? I can’t help thinking they’re lying on their blogs about “doing it without an adult relationship,” either to avoid getting caught or to make themselves look better. What do you all think?
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Fuu
🏅 パパ活歴7年目突入
彼氏/既婚/他パパ/セフレOK/全力応援
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
I understand that people who want to monetize their blogs will try to increase page views, get readers to click on affiliate ads and make purchases, or sell their own know-how as information products, like the so-called “Itadaki Joshi.” So I assume that a lot of the information on personal blogs, X, and other websites is fake or exaggerated because people are trying to make money. That said, relationships without sex do exist, don’t they? After all, plenty of people spend money at girls’ bars, concept cafés, snack bars, cabaret clubs, high-end clubs, dating clubs, and paid drinking parties. There are also Type A arrangements here, and they do work out. From the woman’s perspective, if she’s at least reasonably attractive, having an adult relationship is the quickest, easiest, and least demanding way to receive a decent allowance through papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). That’s because there are plenty of papas who, like you and me, see no point in paying an allowance unless an adult relationship is involved. Personally, I don’t really care about other people’s bragging. I’m simply grateful to Universe Club for creating this kind of system—papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). Some women are benefiting from it, so I think it’s a good, win-win arrangement.
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紙ひこうき
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
Whether an adult relationship (intimate) is involved or not, meeting ten or even dozens of times is entirely possible. If you’re talking about spending hundreds of thousands, then I think the adult relationship becomes even less important. I don’t think that kind of money can be given in exchange for intimacy itself—only to that particular woman. Even if someone offered to pay me, I wouldn’t want to spend a single minute in a cabaret club; honestly, I wouldn’t even want to breathe the air there. The same goes for pachinko. On the other hand, there are plenty of people who spend a great deal of time and money on cabaret clubs or pachinko. I think it depends entirely on whether you value the woman herself or the adult relationship itself. I see intimacy as something that exists for the woman’s sake, so I value the former and don’t really view the allowance as payment for intimacy. That’s why I neither negotiate nor make an offer when things move in that direction. I believe it should happen as an extension of the woman feeling comfortable and the two of you building trust. (That’s probably why both men and women can be A-type or B1-type, even at clubs that openly cater to adult relationships and allowances.) Because it’s a relationship I want to build regardless of whether intimacy is involved, the chemistry between us naturally carries over into that side of things, and the relationship keeps getting better. If a relationship places a heavy emphasis on intimacy, I doubt you’d continue meeting frequently hundreds of times.
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マックさん
🏅 日没を遅らせる唯一の方法は日没に向かって走り続けることだ
名古屋支店登録で、男性会員としての登録名もマックさんです。コラム多数書いてますのでよろしければご参照ください。20代の細身女性が好みで逆オファーには前向きです。経験無いまたは少ない方大歓迎。
Age: 60s 👨 Male Universe member
They do exist. Actually, it seems easier to get a lot of money without an adult relationship (intimate). It’s the same tactics hosts use—playing on someone’s emotional struggles, acting romantic, and so on. People who feel uncomfortable with or are not good at adult relationships (intimate) may eventually figure out their own papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) strategies and end up going that route. A papa-katsu girl I used to see, whose arrangements were mainly dinner only (no intimacy), said she studied by reading hosts’ blogs. That said, I don’t really understand the motives or psychology of people who go out of their way to write on a blog, “I make this much without an adult relationship (intimate),” just to show off. As the questioner suspects, I’m sure there are probably some lies mixed in. It’s unlikely to be the whole truth. Reading the question, I was reminded of something—and this applies to many of the questions posted here too: a lot of people genuinely believe, “I’m normal. I’m the standard.” When I go to a swinger’s club and talk to young people who say it’s their first time, asking, “What are you into?” they almost always answer, “I’m completely normal.” There’s no such thing as “normal” when it comes to sexual preferences. They only vaguely assume they’re normal because they don’t know what other people are into. Once you see other people’s preferences and sex up close, you start to understand how your own preferences differ from the norm. It’s also natural to feel a visceral disgust toward preferences different from your own. You may even want to reject the idea of understanding them at all. You don’t have to empathize—just try to understand. If you try to empathize, fail, and end up rejecting it, that can turn into feelings of disgust. Other people are other people, and you are you. Everyone is different, and that’s a good thing. The questioner read blogs by girls doing papa-katsu without an adult relationship (intimate), couldn’t relate to them, and asked this question because they wanted to deny their very existence, right? Don’t try to empathize. Just understand. It’ll make you a more broad-minded person, and life will become easier and more convenient in all sorts of ways.
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🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe staff
I can’t say what that particular person is like since we don’t know who they are, but speaking generally, even if someone says they receive money for dinner-only dates, I don’t necessarily think they’re lying. For example, quite some time ago, there were news reports that many people were spending over one million yen every time just to shake hands with AKB members by buying CDs through the AKB marketing system. Some people were probably buying them for the voting rights in the group’s general election. There have also been news reports about people in some new religious movements donating all their assets—hundreds of millions of yen—to the religion and ending up filing for bankruptcy. Knowing about those kinds of stories and information, it doesn’t seem strange to me that someone might pay 100,000 yen for a date with a woman. Come to think of it, several years ago there was also a news story about a 23-year-old Azerbaijani model named Mahbuba Mammadzada who auctioned off her virginity through a German escort website called Cinderella Escorts. It was reportedly won by someone for £2 million—about 288 million yen—and that person was said to be “a politician from Tokyo.” What’s more, that Tokyo politician had apparently purchased another girl in Indonesia as well, and it was reportedly a fact covered in the newspapers. The amount was said to be around 150 million yen. There’s money wherever there are wealthy people, and I think those who see value in something will spend money on it.
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横断歩道
🏅 デート開拓者
ユニバース5年目。女性とはいろいろな商業施設に行ってデートしています。
Age: 50s 👨 Male Universe member
There are plenty of them. There are more hostess clubs than adult entertainment establishments.
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カズ
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
There are places like cabaret clubs and hostess clubs where a woman sits beside you, chats with you over drinks, and you may pay over ¥100,000 without having sex. Considering how many cabaret and hostess clubs there are, it seems there are quite a few people willing to spend money without sex. There are also men who continue going on dinner-only dates with a partner who would be open to sex, without actually having sex. Some may simply have little desire for it, while others may lack confidence in their ability to have sex. I could give other examples as well, but apparently there are more people than you might expect who will give an allowance without having sex. I don’t know which is the majority or minority, but I suppose either is fine.
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I don’t think they’re necessarily lying. But whether they represent the majority is another question. People participate in dating clubs for all sorts of reasons and with all kinds of mindsets.
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負け男
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
Now that Maezawa-san, who can view the details of my offers, has returned, it’s easier for me to answer. I make offers to quite a few Type A women. The longest-running arrangement I have with a Type A woman has lasted two years, with no adult relationship (intimate). She has a boyfriend. She comes over and stays the night, but we don’t have sex. There are also two women who were previously Type B or C and whom I’ve been seeing for three years without an adult relationship (intimate), plus another who will reach three years soon. They also usually stay overnight. The most I’ve ever paid for a single date was ¥200,000. We went for a drive in the morning, did some sightseeing, and spent the day together until evening. With Type A, I pay by the hour, so if a woman’s rate is ¥10,000 an hour, ten hours comes to ¥100,000, while someone at ¥5,000 an hour would receive ¥50,000. So, in my view, ¥100,000 for Type A is entirely possible. The women who went from having an adult relationship (intimate) to not having one were generally women whose chemistry with me wasn’t that great. Also, some of them quit papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), but I feel uncomfortable meeting them for nothing, so I’ve given them things like iPhones or bought items they said they really wanted instead of giving them cash. I’m sorry to bring up initials, but the author Joe-san has given one particular princess far more in offerings than I have, right? When it comes to a woman you really love, it’s actually quite difficult to set different amounts for an adult relationship (intimate) and everything else. It can hurt her pride. That said, women do return a level of happiness worthy of that allowance to their “daddies,” which is why arrangements like mine can continue for two or three years. Written this way, it may sound like I’m completely dismissing the person who asked the question, so let me change perspective and say something a little harsher about the women as well. With Type A women, there are quite a lot of them who make me wonder, “What exactly are you planning to use as your weapon in this battlefield—the papa-katsu market?” I think every male member has had the same impression, but there are more beautiful women among Types B and C than Type A, aren’t there? To put it bluntly, there are many women registered whom you can’t help but think, “With that appearance and at your age, you’re Type A?” I almost feel sorry for Universe Club, too. Since they pride themselves on being wholesome, they can’t exactly reject these women, but I’m sure the staff who interviewed them were thinking, “Uhhhh…” Even when I meet them, the conversation barely gets going—I, who am not bad at communicating, struggle to keep it going. Still, I can’t exactly sit there looking sullen, so I escort them wholeheartedly for two hours. But I never see them a second time.
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