When negotiating the amount, don’t papas usually offer less than what they paid the person they were seeing before? For example, if they paid her ¥80,000, they’ll negotiate down to ¥60,000 or ¥50,000.

In my case, if someone tried to negotiate a lower allowance, I’d make an offer to another woman instead. I don’t go to adult entertainment establishments, so I’m not very familiar with them, but where I live, they’re relatively inexpensive. I checked the websites, and even a high-end place charged around ¥50,000 for two hours. As other respondents have mentioned, men are looking for different things at adult entertainment establishments and dating clubs, so perhaps the woman you mentioned was simply better suited to that kind of work.

This is the first time I’ve heard of someone negotiating for a lower amount than what they paid the women they’d dated before. I don’t think there are many men like that. Most men seem to have their own standards or values and decide the allowance in advance, usually based on the woman’s perceived level. That said, there’s the question of how you found out that he was offering less than he had paid his previous partners. Perhaps you were simply given false information. Or it may be that, by coincidence, he felt you were a lower level than the woman he had previously dated and therefore offered a lower allowance. > Honestly, even without an adult relationship, I can earn over ¥100,000 a day working in the adult-entertainment industry, so I’m not sure how I feel about it. If your goal is to make money, it seems like you’d earn more in the adult-entertainment industry. The men come to the establishment, so you don’t have to travel, and you don’t waste time getting around. > The club charges ¥120,000 per meeting when they get involved. That’s referring to a high-end establishment, as you said, right? In that case, some men pay black-tier women ¥150,000 or ¥200,000 on a pay-per-meeting basis, and I imagine some pay even more. Men who visit adult-entertainment establishments and men who register with dating clubs are looking for fundamentally different things, so whether they should be compared directly is another question. Still, the amount paid per encounter doesn’t seem all that different. And with dating clubs, many men want an ongoing relationship that includes dates, so once you factor in expenses such as hotels and meals in addition to the allowance, the man’s total spending may actually be higher than in the adult-entertainment industry. There are even establishments advertising ¥10,000 flat for services that include intercourse, right? From that perspective, if a man’s goal is simply to orgasm, going to an adult-entertainment establishment is cheaper. And if a woman’s goal is to make money, she’d probably earn more there as well, since she can see several men in a day. However, men and women seek different things from dating clubs and the adult-entertainment industry, so people who compare them directly are bound to find aspects that don’t sit right with them. In that case, I think it would be better to simply choose the option you can genuinely feel comfortable with.

As I’ve mentioned in answers to other questions, I tend to compare women against one another. If I feel someone is about average, I’ll give her about the same allowance; if she seems slightly lacking in some way, I may lower it, and if she’s exceptionally good, I may pay more. > Why do men pay ¥120,000 per meeting when an establishment is involved, but suddenly become so stingy when dealing privately? When you’re dealing with an establishment, there’s no room to negotiate the price. With papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), the allowance is something both parties negotiate, so there are probably men who think that if the woman agrees to that amount, then it’s fine.

I don’t recall ever negotiating to lower the allowance from what I had paid the women I’d dated before, nor have I ever heard of any male members I know doing that. Adult entertainment and dating have money and sex in common, but I think they’re completely different things. Comparing two entirely different things based solely on price is nonsensical. If you think working in adult entertainment, where you can earn ¥100,000 a day without an adult relationship (intimate), is preferable, then you should simply work there. There’s no need to come here under the guise of asking a question just to complain at length. Also, even women who confuse adult entertainment with dating seem to choose dating because it allows them to use their own free time, rather than working at an establishment where they have to coordinate their workplace and shifts, if they’re thinking about building a career in a daytime job. Adding this after reading Mac’s answer: > But judging from the question, I suppose adult entertainment really is overpriced after all. If you simply compare the cost of ejaculating once, I think dating is more expensive.

I can’t drink alcohol, so even if you offered me a million-yen bottle for 10,000 yen, I wouldn’t pay 10,000 yen for it. If you’re worth 300,000 yen a day, why not work at a high-end adult entertainment establishment? If money is your only criterion, you’d be better off working in the adult entertainment industry rather than doing papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). Update: I’ve had some experience with hostess clubs, the adult entertainment industry, and papa-katsu, but what people are looking for in each is completely different.