Most of the answers have already covered everything, and I don’t really have anything to add, but there’s one thing that’s been bothering me, so I’ll answer anyway.
The phrase that bothers me is “serious feelings.” It may be a bit rich coming from someone like me, who can hardly claim to live a serious life, but do you actually know what “serious” means?
A “real sword” is one that draws blood when it cuts you. In other words, my interpretation of “serious” is “desperate enough to risk everything.” Unfortunately, I couldn’t sense that level of seriousness in your question. If you were truly desperate, you wouldn’t be attaching conditions to the answers.
A few years ago, I had grown tired of my own business and wanted to try something completely different. To raise the necessary funds, I wrote hundreds of pages of business plans, condensed them into a 15-slide PowerPoint presentation, and took part in more than ten pitch events organized by angel investors.
“Angel” is just a name—they were seasoned investors, and the Q&A sessions were brutal. Quite a few of them were younger than me, and having questions bordering on outright abuse hurled at me by people like that nearly broke me. Even so, I kept refining my business plan little by little. In the end, I managed to secure more than 100 investments of one million yen each and launch the business.
Although, to be fair, it only finally became profitable last year.
What I’m trying to say is that even I wasn’t necessarily “desperate enough to risk everything” at the time, and I still have plenty of regrets. Even so, I think I was at least a hundred times more serious than you are. If I had attached conditions to my questions for angel investors, I would have been shown the door on the spot.
You can suck dick if you want, but don’t treat business lightly. What you’re trying to do is clearly a business.
Ultimately, I think everyone is cost-conscious, so it comes down to whether you can provide the kind of satisfaction that feels worth ¥150,000.
Mac also compared it to sales, and I agree. I think it’s important to carefully find out what your papa (a male supporter) is looking for and do your best to meet those expectations. That’s what sales is all about, too.
Of course, the more generous (well-paying) the allowance, the more will likely be expected of you. So if you’re comfortable with it, you could consider being a little more adventurous than usual.
It’s also worthwhile to keep working on yourself every day so you can become even more attractive and maintain a great figure.
Makeotoko, it’s been a while.
For men like you, there are cases where they offer 50,000 yen per meeting or 50,000 yen a month even without intimacy.
In most cases, the allowance is decided before intimacy anyway, so it’s really determined by other factors. In my case, I don’t negotiate the allowance beforehand, so it isn’t technically set, but it never changes.
In any event, the relationship itself carries a great deal of weight.
Actually, I have a longtime girlfriend—my former fiancée—whom I’ve known for several decades. Since COVID, we hadn’t gone to a hotel because we were worried about passing it on to our parents and family, but things have settled down, so we’re talking about going sometime this month. During that time, we were still frequently discussing things and giving each other advice, which shows how important the relationship is. Thanks in part to that, she’s become successful and now earns nearly twice as much as the average office worker. That’s far more valuable than any allowance.
Some women from the club have become successful as well. Even when I think, “You don’t need an allowance anymore,” I still give them one when we meet, and I believe that kind of personal connection will continue.
I think dating is only truly meaningful when there’s a deepening bond between two people.
I imagine you’re someone who can work with men you find mentally and physically taxing, as part of your job.
In my experience, women who take the initiative and kiss you tend to have higher allowances.
If she suddenly slips her tongue into my mouth without me saying anything, I’m easily won over, haha.
Some women even find a chance to kiss you on a dinner date. They’re pretty powerful.
Women don’t exactly enjoy kissing older men, and I understand that too. That’s why I think women who use kissing as a weapon are strong.
Some papas don’t care about kissing, so I can’t make a blanket statement, but one thing I always tell my monthly partners when explaining how to win over other papas is:
“Once you get into the hotel, have her cling to him and give him a deep, passionate kiss. That’ll win over nine out of ten older guys.”
By the way, paying 15 per meeting isn’t that difficult for me.
The reason I offer 15 per meeting is that, when it’s easy to imagine she’s popular, negotiating the allowance is a hassle. I simply offer an amount she’ll obviously accept from the start.
That doesn’t mean I necessarily feel she’s worth 15 when we first meet.
If I offer 15 per meeting, the chances of her refusing an adult relationship (intimate) are practically zero, and it’s also easy to part ways after just one meeting. That’s what the 15 is for.
Isn’t the real issue the continuation rate?
Rather than paying 15 per meeting, it seems more likely that you’ll make a large amount of money by meeting someone twice a month for 10 per meeting and keeping it going for around three years.
You should occasionally be able to find a papa who’ll continue seeing you at 10 per meeting.
As Toshi-san said, it’s all relative.
If I have a monthly partner who gives me an incredible experience despite receiving only 10 per meeting, then even if I meet a woman who asks for 15 per meeting, I’m very unlikely to continue seeing her.
I’ve already said goodbye to her, but there was a period when a woman I had agreed to meet twice a month for a monthly 200,000 yen would come over to my place around five to seven times a month at her own request.
As long as I had such an unbeatable monthly partner, no one else could get a foot in the door.
For reference, there have been around 15 women I met through Universe Club to whom I paid 15 or more per meeting for an adult relationship. I still see three of them.
Two of those relationships have lasted three and a half years, and the other has lasted just under three years.
Conversely, over the past nearly three years, I haven’t had a single woman continue seeing me at 15 per meeting. My monthly partners are simply too strong.
Two of the three have retired from papa-katsu and now see me without an allowance. One of them is pursuing a career in entertainment.
If they invite me, I’ll still have an adult relationship (intimate) with them. They frequently stay overnight at my place, too.
I know almost everything about these three women’s private lives. I’ve even met their best friends and families. That’s how deep our relationships are.
I don’t fall seriously in love with women, so I don’t stop seeing them even if they get boyfriends. There’s even one woman who receives the equivalent of 10 per meeting whom I still see three times a month after her marriage. We’ve been seeing each other for two years.
I’ve become deeply involved in their lives, so it’s not as though I’m going to suddenly cut ties now. If either of the two former 15-plus women who quit papa-katsu came back to ask me for support, I’d probably give her 15 or more per meeting again.
In fact, one of them has asked me to move in with her. I turned that down and am negotiating by offering to rent a place for her instead.
If you have firm confidence that “I’m worth 15 per meeting,” feel free to send me a reverse offer. I’d have no problem meeting you.
That said, I’ve probably already made an offer to almost every woman who made me think, “I might pay 15 per meeting for her.”
You may be one of the secret women, though.
Incidentally, the allowance amounts requested by the Black-tier women I’ve met over the past three months ranged from 5 to 12.
As for 15, there was one Platinum-tier woman who requested 15. I’ll probably see her again next month.
P.S. Meg-san’s answer to another question was so cute that I couldn’t resist posting this, haha.
P.P.S.
It’s been a while, Paper Airplane-san.
There was also a girl to whom I paid a monthly 1,000,000 yen, but due to various circumstances, we only met three times in six months and never had an adult relationship (intimate). We’re still seeing each other.
As for what makes someone valuable… I feel like I understand it, but I really don’t.
One thing I can say for sure is that my type varies widely. Among my monthly partners, there isn’t a single pair where I’d say, “These two are similar.”
I have one who’s the beauty, one who’s the cute one, one who’s the sophisticated woman, one whose intimacy is incredible, and one whose intimacy isn’t anything special but whom I continue seeing because having dinner with her is simply fun.
Maybe the hint you’re looking for is somewhere in there.
First off, I think the earlier question meant “adult 10,” not kissing.
If you pretend to like him and are responsive during the adult relationship rather than just lying there, I think your allowance will keep going up.
Have you ever worked in sales?
You get customers to buy a product or service. You look at the market—or rather, at all the similar products out there—and emphasize what makes your product or service different. Then you try to sell it for as much as possible.
It’s basically the same process.
In papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), what you’re selling is sex. But when you think about it, there isn’t that much difference between one vagina and another, so the question becomes how to make it seem special and sell it at a higher price. One factor is obviously beauty, youth, and body shape, but there’s only so much you can do about those things. So the quickest approach is to wrap it in emotional appeal.
That emotional element is the process of “making him emotionally hooked.”
If you take it to the extreme, like the so-called “gift girls,” men will start putting up money even without having sex. Actually, it’s easier to get money out of them if you don’t have sex. Sex has a going rate, but there’s no market price for paying someone who doesn’t have sex with you, so there’s no upper limit.
As for specific techniques, I heard this from a papa-katsu girl before: apparently, host-club techniques for making women emotionally dependent are very useful. Things like “sickly sales,” romance-based sales, and friend-based sales. Apparently, you can find information about them online.
You wrote about “specific ways to present yourself and make an effort,” but I don’t mean simply changing the way you open your legs. It’s psychological warfare.
Here’s one hint: you should never say things like, “I want you to increase my allowance,” or “I want more money.” Instead, you talk about how hard you’re struggling because you have so little money, and how you’re still doing your best and holding on to hope despite that.
You keep appealing to his feelings and paternal instincts until he wants to save you. Before long, he’ll start pouring out Yukichis and Eiichis like he’s ejaculating.
I came up with one way to sell a 100,000-yen kiss. First, agree to an adult relationship (intimate) for a pay-per-meeting allowance of 50,000 yen.
But insist, “I’m sorry, but kissing is off-limits.”
After you’ve been seeing each other for a while and have grown close, say something like:
“I only want to kiss someone I truly love, and I think I’ve started falling for you, ○. But since we’re seeing each other as papa-katsu partners, I feel conflicted about kissing you when I’ve always treasured and protected that part of myself so carefully… So, ○, would you be willing to buy my kiss for 100,000 yen? To me, it’s worth that much.”
How does that sound?
It’s just something I came up with, so a professional gift girl would probably laugh at how amateurish the setup is. But I think selling sex for a high price works something like this. The presentation is what matters.
First, just to explain my personal perspective: when I give an allowance on a pay-per-meeting basis, I don’t—and don’t want to—think of it as one amount for dinner and another amount for sex. Putting a price on sex feels exactly like the mindset of paying for adult entertainment, and I don’t think that’s the same as enjoying a dating club relationship. So if a woman views things that way, I wouldn’t pursue a relationship with her.
As for the main question, when I think about these things, I believe I look at them in relative terms.
For example, suppose I’m currently seeing a woman for 10 per meeting. If I meet someone new who I find attractive enough to want to date even if I had to pay more—and she says she won’t date for 10—I would consider offering more than 10. Conversely, if I feel the new woman isn’t that different from the woman I’m currently seeing for 10, I’m more likely to turn her down if she asks for more than 10.
As for what makes me find someone more attractive than the person currently receiving 10, it’s honestly impossible to generalize. It ultimately comes down to comparing the women with each other. It could be her looks, how easy it is to arrange the frequency or timing of meetings, having the same hobbies or tastes in food, getting along well in conversation, or any number of things.
Lastly, sexual compatibility does play a role to some extent. Fortunately for me, in most cases, a woman will come with me to a hotel if I invite her after dinner without discussing the allowance first. In those cases, things may progress to sex before we even discuss the allowance. If the experience is exceptionally satisfying, I’ll want to see her again, so I may agree to the amount she wants—or in some cases, offer even more than she requested.
This may not be very helpful, but I think what makes someone satisfied during sex is ultimately a matter of compatibility. In my case, I’m generally more satisfied with a woman who is enthusiastic about sex and enjoys it together with me.
So, after writing all that, this may still not be the most helpful answer, but in short:
1. The papa (a male supporter) is already paying someone an allowance close to 15 per meeting.
2. He may be willing to pay 15 or more if he finds someone more attractive than that person.
3. The key is whether she has qualities that make her relatively more appealing than the woman he is currently seeing.
I still come across strange questions like:
“Please don’t give me answers about 〇〇.”
“Please refrain from suggesting 〇〇.”
But since both asking and answering here are free, I don’t think it’s fair to impose restrictions.
If you were paying to ask, I could understand specifying the general direction of the answers to some extent. Even then, though, I feel there are counselors and consultants who would tell you to go elsewhere if you need advice with those kinds of limitations, no matter how much you’re paying.
This particular case may be serious, but it gives me the same impression as saying:
“Tell me how to become rich, but please don’t suggest working hard.”
Also, I don’t think there are many methods that work for everyone. And even if there were, once men knew about them, they would stop being effective, so I doubt anyone would share them publicly.
Incidentally, I suspect the manual used by the so-called “Itadaki Joshi” who was arrested for fraud may have contained advice along those lines. But I don’t think there’s any point in using methods that make someone else unhappy, and ultimately, I feel that sort of thing can come back to you as karma.
Rather than setting strange goals like earning 150,000 yen in one meeting, it would be better to think about how to be liked by men and how to make someone want to see you again.
Once you become reasonably good at that, I think you’ll naturally start receiving a decent allowance without having to focus on exactly how much you’ll get per meeting.
Of course, there are people who know these kinds of tips, and they may be willing to teach you to some extent. But it’s more common for something to work for them but not for you, or for you to get different results even if you do exactly what they do.
That’s why I think it’s important to experiment and figure things out for yourself.
