Tips Sep 8, 2022 21:40

Sorry for putting this so bluntly.

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**To those worrying about their allowance…**  If you don’t mind catching something, there are plenty of girls who’ll see you for 10,000–20,000 yen. If you see women as nothing more than holes, go to that kind of establishment! That’s about what I tell them before cutting off the offer!!!  This is based on a true story! Before we met, my dating partner was genuinely struggling financially and was seeing four men through another dating club two or three times a month, receiving an allowance of 30,000 yen each time. I found out about it in our second month together.  I didn’t want her to keep seeing people under those terms and wear herself down emotionally, so I offered to give her that amount myself on the condition that she block those men. We’re still together now. (I haven’t asked how things stand at present, but I think you can tell the answer just by looking at the situation.)  I believe everyone here is looking for that kind of relationship. People run when you chase them; if you stop and wait, they’ll come to you. Someone who approaches you is someone who has feelings for you! **The time commitment is too long…***  In my case, we have a meal, spend a little over three hours together in a room, and then part ways. But for that, I clear at least half a day from my work schedule. If we meet for lunch and then go to a room afterward, almost everything except the morning meeting has to be rearranged to the day before or the next day… Isn’t that a pretty long time commitment?  In short, women (sorry—I don’t mean all women, just some professionals or women who approach things like professionals) can meet on a part-time basis, but for men, it’s physically impossible in most cases.  Let me ask everyone here directly. Other than the respondents, no one can comment here, but…  In response to an earlier question, “Makeotoko” said something along these lines (I think it was over a month ago, so the exact wording may be different; please just understand the gist): “Papa supporters spare no effort to make their PJ partners happy, but do PJ partners… make an effort as well? It seems like a shame that they’re missing out on a great opportunity.”  I remember that being the gist of his message, and I completely agree. We often hear the term “transactional relationship” used for relationships here, but I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on Makeotoko’s words again.
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🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
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Your question was deleted, but congratulations on joining as a Black member as a working physician. Keep receiving positive feedback from the women and become an answerer yourself. There are countless women targeting doctors, so I’m sure you could become a popular answerer♪ Now, to answer your question: > “Papa-san puts in every possible effort to make his PJ happy, but do the PJs make any effort...? It seems such a waste to let a great opportunity slip away.” — Makio It’s not “Papa-san does this for the PJ”; it’s “I, Makio, do this for the PJ.” My style is to give everything I have to both my work and papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan). If I’m going to do something, I do it properly; if not, I don’t do it at all. If I’m not perfectly prepared, I consider it disrespectful to the woman, so I won’t make an offer or go on the date. If I’m not in good condition, I’ll either give her the allowance for an adult relationship (intimate) and end the date, or transfer the money in advance and cancel. I’m more thorough about cleanliness than most women, and I offer at least 100,000 yen per meeting even to standard members, let alone Gold members. I also strictly stick to the agreed end time. I never go over by even a minute. When you prepare this perfectly, you won’t just avoid being rejected—the outcome is practically decided the moment you meet. I entertain her with conversation as the finishing touch, but that isn’t where I compete. Everything comes down to the preparation before meeting the woman. I’ve mentioned what comes after this before, but putting me aside, when the person you want—a papa (a male supporter) you want to keep—finally appears in front of you, it’s already too late to start trying. I want women to take care of their beauty, figure, and scent every day, and study how to have conversations that entertain men. This preparation helps not only with papa-katsu but also when a serious boyfriend candidate suddenly appears. Papas are practice partners. If you can’t even handle a papa, landing a tall, handsome, highly educated, high-income boyfriend is nothing but a pipe dream. That’s why I said it was a waste. Even if you can’t devote that much time and effort to preparation, there must be some basic things you can do. So I end up wondering, almost as if it has nothing to do with me, “Why doesn’t this girl try harder?” It’s not about getting anything in return from me. I just look at her coldly and think, “I guess this is how she always is.” Aside from the ace who made it into the Hall of Fame, the woman who became the new ace was like a sinking ship buried in debt. I made an extremely unreasonable offer that was essentially intended to be refused: “If I can pick you up by car at 10 p.m. tomorrow.” But she replied, “That’s fine,” and went on the date. She showed me everything she was really thinking and gave it her all in presenting herself to me. As a result, I offered to give a woman I had only just met—whose real name, let alone her home address, I didn’t even know—a lump sum to pay off all her debts. This was before we had ever had an adult relationship (intimate). And I actually gave her a large amount of money. I wondered whether she might run off with it, and I was prepared to accept that if she did. But she didn’t run. She came to our first adult date, we became intimate, hit it off, and she took the position of new ace. I’ll probably support her perfectly at least until she gets married. By not missing the chance to meet me, her life changed completely. She really is Cinderella. It’s even the name of one of the columns, isn’t it? https://universe-club.jp/female/ I know very well that there aren’t many decent papas out there. The odds of finding a good papa are only about 1 in 10 to 1 in 20. Even so, I want women to prepare themselves. Universe Club is a place where life-changing opportunities can be right in front of you. *I strongly advise against getting into a car with someone on your first date. Please don’t imitate this.* I’m wide awake now, so I’m off to work out. I’m going to punish my quadriceps and glutes.
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I think it’s fine as long as both people are happy with the arrangement. Some people offer a generous allowance and don’t cause any stress, while others offer very little. And just as there are exceptionally decent people even when entertaining major clients, there are also quite a few people who find it not painful at all. Some relationships continue because of the other person’s financial circumstances, even when the allowance is low and the relationship is stressful. Others offer an average allowance and are neither particularly good nor bad, but are very good at making assumptions. I think there are all kinds of people out there. Everyone is different, and that’s what makes everyone wonderful—isn’t that the way to look at it?
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What exactly are they trying to say? They seem to be looking down on men who offer low allowances or demand long hours, only to end up saying, “PJ girls aren’t making any effort! How could you pass up such an amazing opportunity with someone like me?” Is that the idea? That’s pretty scary—this kind of self-important, self-satisfied attitude, lol. If you look at it the other way, women are offering their bodies and time, while the questioner is merely offering money and shorter hours. They’re already getting their desires fulfilled, yet they’re being incredibly arrogant. There’s nothing wrong with having pride in your efforts, but keep it to yourself! Don’t you think demanding an equal exchange to match that pride is the truly degrading part? No matter how generous the allowance is, how much effort someone puts into shortening the time, or how sincere their feelings may be, demanding something in return as part of the exchange is a low thing to do. A man should just keep quiet! Whether a woman responds, evaluates the situation, or makes a decision is up to her. If that bothers you, then decide through your own actions—simply don’t meet her! Don’t comment on how much allowance someone else receives! And don’t make decisions for women about their choices or intentions! That’s what I thought, anyway, lol. Is this just bait? lol P.S. Women do understand, though. There are definitely people who can judge character properly, so meeting someone like that might satisfy that sense of pride, too, lol. Then there’d be no need to shout about it here, either, lol.
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> “Papa supporters go all out and spare no effort to make their PJ happy, but do PJs make an effort too? It seems like such a waste to miss out on a great opportunity.” I have to agree with this opinion from Makeotoko. Not just in dating—I think we should try not to let opportunities pass us by. The women they’re seeing also seem to be pretty busy getting ready before a date, lol.
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If you want to share your opinions here, don’t you have anywhere else to write them? You could start a blog, post on Twitter or other social media—there are plenty of options. I think it would be better to share them in places like that. If you really want to write about them in a Universe-related space, you could apply to become a column writer. Then you’d be able to write there and hopefully feel satisfied. If you simply weren’t aware of that option, please apply to become a column writer if you want to share your opinions. This is a Q&A forum, not a place for expressing opinions.
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Can you really say for certain that you’re not making her put up with things? Isn’t she perhaps thinking, “It’s only for a short time, and the allowance is good, so I’ll tolerate it”? I think it would be best to keep that possibility somewhere in the back of your mind as you continue seeing her. Marika
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Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中! B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです! 会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private 👨 Male Universe member
Some people expect the other person to feel the same way, and some don’t. Both types exist. When it comes to dealing with high-value clients, people offering a large allowance, or people who want that kind of partner—and those who don’t—there are all kinds of preferences. Some want to be pursued, while others don’t. Some people are suited to entertaining others and some aren’t. Some, both men and women, enjoy it more when money is involved, while others would rather feel as little of that as possible. Entertaining a client who does a lot of business with your company is nothing but painful, isn’t it? If the allowance is large, to some extent, that sort of pressure comes with it. (A nurse who joined a club said, “The silent pressure and the sense of entitlement are incredible!” and “He thinks his money gives him the right to say anything.”) Don’t forget that money can be a form of violence too. That’s probably why they keep the meetings short. There are all kinds of people, and people who are compatible with each other end up dating. For some people, meeting someone of the opposite sex feels completely natural; for others, it’s something special. Some find it tiring, while others don’t. Some can spend all day together, while others can’t. There really are all kinds of men and women. Personally, I absolutely hate going out as someone’s companion. I don’t like cabaret clubs or lounges either, and a high-end cabaret club is out of the question. Maybe I just hate cigarette smoke… Huh? There are plenty of men who like cigarettes, cabaret clubs, and going out as someone’s companion, so it really does depend on the person. > Spare no effort and do your absolute best I think there are people who don’t even need to make an effort—people who are naturally and unconsciously equipped with the instinct and adaptability to deal with the opposite sex. For example, Marika, or me, probably… I think they’re the kind of people who get doted on and loved without having to work for it, and who can keep a relationship going naturally, just by being themselves. I don’t think people like that expect the other person to make any effort either. They probably date and become drawn to each other purely by instinct. You could even say they’re addicted to that kind of life… They enjoy it so effortlessly and naturally. P.S. > I leave at least half a day open in my schedule. If we meet for lunch and then go to a room afterward, I have to rearrange almost all my work—apart from the morning meeting—to the day before or the day after… Isn’t that a pretty long time? You dummy. It’s not long at all. That’s just normal. You should always be ready, always in peak condition, and keep yourself well-trained so that whenever you meet a woman, you’re full of energy like a fish back in the water. You need to improve your constitution, you hear me? Geez.
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