Is ¥150,000 or so per session standard with high-end soapland workers, while ¥100,000 is the going rate at clubs like these?
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I used to work at a high-end soapland, so I strongly made that point and somehow got the terms changed from ¥100,000 per meeting to ¥100,000 for an adult relationship (intimate) plus ¥20,000 for transportation.
Are people involved in papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) generally less financially well-off?
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There really aren’t many soaplands charging ¥100,000 or more, let alone ¥150,000 ones. And the average percentage women receive is around 60%, right?
Of course, you can earn a lot because you’ll see several customers in a day, lol, so I think you should just go back to a high-end soapland.
Am I understanding correctly that even when you were getting ¥150,000, you were seeing three people per shift?
You could probably make that work here too if you did papa-katsu with three people in one day, lol.
In the past, having a mistress was something only a small number of extremely wealthy people could afford. Then it was given the more accessible, casual name “papa-katsu,” with ideas like regular arrangements or subscription-style relationships where multiple women are “shared” among several papas.
The market has certainly widened, since even someone at Fuu’s level can enjoy it now—it’s no longer limited to the ultra-wealthy.
You should go back to the soapland, accept foreign customers, and make money from inbound tourism. You could see five foreign customers during one long shift and earn quite a bit. At that price, I assume unprotected sex is the default, right? You’ll always be dealing with STIs, but since you can make around ¥250,000 a day, let’s call it a win.
Fuu doesn’t make offers to women in the adult entertainment industry. Once he finds out someone is currently working in that industry, he ends things. So it’s perfectly fine for the questioner to leave—both sides will probably be better off.
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S, an ultra-luxury soapland in Yoshiwara, apparently doesn’t hire women who have worked at another soapland, even once.
That’s because they consider accepting women who transfer from establishments in a different price range to be a betrayal of their customers.
Many of the men at dating clubs tend to avoid women with experience in the sex industry.
That’s because if they want to meet a sex worker, they can simply go to a soapland.
If a dating club also refused to hire women with any prior experience in the sex industry, it might become even more popular than Universe, despite charging higher fees.
Incidentally, many regular customers at high-end soaplands visit once a month, and apparently the women value those customers the most.
Of course, there are probably wealthy men with enough free time to visit a high-end soapland several times a week. But many men also seem to go just once as a special experience.
By contrast, many men doing papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) through Universe Club date multiple women and pay over ¥50,000 in allowance per meeting.
Looking at the median, wouldn’t the men doing papa-katsu through Universe actually be wealthier?
Well, in the end, it doesn’t really matter which group has more money.
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When it comes to a high-end soapland, I assume both the women’s looks and the services they provide are top-notch.
(They’re expected to be on the pill, have unprotected sex as a matter of course, and accept the risk of catching something as well.)
With a dating club, honestly, the services themselves aren’t guaranteed to be of the same standard. There’s also an element of enjoying dates, not just the services.
So when it comes to the average amount of money involved, I think it’s probably lower than at a high-end soapland.
If a high-end soapland suits you better, why not work there instead?
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If you have customers at a soapland who pay better, then don’t bother with papa-katsu—just make good money at the soapland instead. Especially if you have a papa (a male supporter) who pays ¥120,000 per meeting and you’re still worried about which one pays more.
I’ve never been to a soapland, and I’ve never had anyone offer me a ¥100,000 allowance, so I am curious about what exactly you got for that extra ¥20,000 in transportation expenses by arguing your case so passionately, though lol.
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I have several monthly arrangements that work out to over ¥200,000 per meeting. Tomorrow, I’m planning to quietly give another girl ¥50,000 without her even asking.
But if there were a woman like you, questioner, she wouldn’t become one of my monthly arrangements in the first place, and I wouldn’t give her money even if she begged for it. Most women are bad at getting money out of their papas. You’re among the worst at it.
I’m practically dying to give you money, so you need to handle it much better.
The girl I’m seeing tomorrow has never once asked me for money or a higher allowance. I’m the one who voluntarily increases it or gives her extra money from time to time.
By the way, I recently had tea with my contact at Universe Club for the first time since joining. It had been so long since we’d met that neither of us recognized the other at first, haha.
I told my contact that I’d have no problem offering her ¥100,000, ¥150,000, or ¥200,000 on a pay-per-meeting basis, but that those amounts would overlap with the top tier of my monthly arrangements. Since she wouldn’t have much chance of winning out, it would probably end after one adult relationship (intimate). She understood and said, “I see. Your monthly partners really are on another level, Mr. Loser.”
I don’t know what level of woman you are, questioner, and you’re free to demand ¥120,000 per meeting. But unless you can offer a papa value equivalent to about ¥150,000 per meeting, there’s no chance of becoming a monthly arrangement. So in your next question, I’d like you to provide some basis for claiming, “I offer ¥150,000 worth of value per meeting and receive ¥120,000.”
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With papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), you also have to pay for hotels and meals.
I don’t know how much you were making at a high-end soapland, but after the establishment takes its cut and factoring in waiting time, wouldn’t it actually be more efficient if you had several pay-per-meeting partners paying 10 each?
Personally, I don’t accept anyone with experience in the sex industry, so if someone tried to argue this point so passionately, I’d end things immediately.
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First of all, I don’t really understand why you’re comparing it to soaplands.
If working at a soapland was really that great, then why not just keep working there?
There may be people who use dating clubs like adult entertainment services, but basically, I think they’re places where men and women who want to enjoy a different kind of relationship from what you get at a soapland come together.
You can probably see that from the fact that Type B and Type C arrangements are popular, while Type D isn’t as popular.
Also, I don’t really understand this part:
“I argued my case and somehow got him to change it from ¥100,000 per meeting to ¥100,000 for an adult relationship plus ¥20,000 for transportation.”
If this was about a first meeting through a dating club, I would assume she was asking for ¥20,000 as an allowance just to meet.
But since it says she argued her case, I assume this was about a male supporter, meaning it must have been about meetings after the first one.
In that case, it should mean he agreed to increase the amount from ¥100,000 to ¥120,000. So what exactly does this mean?
The allowance is something the two people are free to negotiate, so I don’t think there’s any need to compare it to soaplands.
There are also men who routinely offer ¥150,000 or even more.
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As usual, the same person keeps posting the same kind of thing.
Do they really think it’s funny when they post this stuff? They’ve run the joke into the ground, so I don’t find it funny at all—especially when it so obviously seems made up.
I’d consider a soapland high-end if the total cost is ¥50,000 or more, and ultra-high-end at around ¥100,000. Once you go over ¥100,000, the only place that comes to mind is a certain well-known Yoshiwara establishment offering hard services.
There’s no standard market rate for compensated dating. If there is such a thing, it’s probably just the amount each individual personally considers reasonable.
Depending on what they think the going rate is, some people ask for ¥100,000, while others ask for ¥50,000, ¥60,000, ¥70,000, ¥80,000, ¥40,000, and so on.
Even when you look at dating clubs that list allowances in their profiles, you’ll find a gravure model more famous than one asking for ¥100,000 saying she wants ¥50,000 instead. It really shows that there’s no such thing as a standard market rate.
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