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Dec 15, 2024 16:37
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What do you think constitutes doing papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) “right,” being successful, or being happy as a woman?
I’m not popular at clubs and have no ongoing arrangements, but on apps I’m considered semi-professional and have several monthly arrangements.
I’d appreciate any words of advice, no matter what they are.
Thank you.
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Other
Long time no see! I thought you were Himawari (^_^;)
Once you start wanting a higher allowance, there’s a lot to worry about. Intimacy is meant to be enjoyed, not endured. Maybe that should be our motto.
After seeing someone for two or three months, you might be able to tell him what you want and have him listen, but… I don’t know what you’re into, Himawari, so I can’t say you should bring it up at this point.
Just be more natural and relaxed, and let’s wait for an offer ♡
Nana Ayase ♡
Meg
Female
Send a reverse offer to this responder
🏅 修行の身
光と影
Age: 50s
👩 Female
Former Universe member
Himawari,
Nice to meet you.
Thank you for such a thought-provoking question. I know this comes after you wrote your reply to the male respondent, but may I share my thoughts as well?
What is the “right answer,” anyway?
I think it may be finding the best arrangement with each of our papas.
Since we’re the ones receiving an allowance, we put up with certain things to some extent. But those things build up, and eventually we start to feel like we’re forcing ourselves.
I adore my papa in his 70s from the club, but that may be the case with him to some degree.
On the other hand, I don’t feel the need to be as considerate with my papa in his 50s.
As for success—well, I suppose reaching the allowance amount a woman is aiming for could be considered success. But for me, success means being able to continue the relationship.
As for happiness, meeting my papas has brought me so much happiness in life.
It has nothing to do with the amount of the allowance.
They’ve given me happiness as a woman, taught me how to relate to my family, and provided me with guidance for my life.
I feel happy and incredibly grateful to everyone at Universe Club for having given me the opportunity to meet such wonderful people.
Wait...
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to graduate from this lifestyle, lol.
Other
Thank you all for your answers.
I think I’d like to continue with papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) for a little longer. Maybe I’ll be able to figure things out as I go. Perhaps the day will come when I realize, “Ah, this is when I’m ready to move on from papa-katsu.”
I still have sexual desires, and I think I got myself worked up and lost in my own thoughts.
Papa-katsu is something men enjoy. It would be nice if women could enjoy it too, but am I really having fun right now? Come to think of it, I feel like there are times when I’m forcing myself…
I started getting a little emotionally unstable, so I asked about “happiness for women in papa-katsu.”
When I’m doing papa-katsu, I do feel like I’m entertaining someone. I grit my teeth and put up with insensitive comments, and I laugh loudly at things that make me think, “Is that even funny?” I act like, “I’m happy to be included too. This is fun, isn’t it?”
It’s not that I dislike sex, and I meet them because I enjoy it. But even though I have fun, I also put up with a lot of things I don’t like.
I’m not able to enjoy papa-katsu wholeheartedly. That’s why I sometimes feel like the allowance is compensation for everything I put up with.
When it comes to the allowance, I can’t look at it as matter-of-factly as men do. It isn’t simply transportation + dinner + an adult relationship (intimate) = a certain amount.
Sorry—maybe men don’t really want to hear a woman’s honest feelings like this (; ;)
I want to experience more intimacy that feels like this!!!
I want to genuinely enjoy it more!
I haven’t been able to find that with the person I’m seeing now.
I hope that someday I can stop using the apps and meet someone through a club who makes me truly happy—someone who feels like a real “mistress” relationship…
Everyone, thank you so, so much。゚(゚´ω`゚)゚。
🏅 パパ活歴7年目突入
彼氏/既婚/他パパ/セフレOK/全力応援
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
If you mean a specific respondent, I wish you’d tell us which one, but…
Since success and happiness are things each person has to feel for themselves, it’s hard to say.
Personally, I think women who are well-suited to this and lucky are those who:
- Like older men and enjoy sex
- Can enjoy papa-katsu without viewing it through a strange lens
- Have met a papa they genuinely like as a person
- Are treated well, even though it’s a financial relationship
- Have found a papa who pays generously without being needy or pushy
Those are the ones that come to mind, lol.
Update:
So you were the questioner, Himawari.
I imagine that, to some extent, there’s an element of being compensated for putting up with things.
I’m very grateful to the women who have sex with Fuu and continue seeing me.
It would be sad if it became too difficult for them, so I hope they can meet a papa who makes things even a little easier.
It’s not easy, though. Feelings are complicated.
Even among the women Fuu has a monthly arrangement with, I sometimes meet the ones who are dry and matter-of-fact and seem eager to leave early directly at a hotel for a short time.
But even those women occasionally say they’d like to go out for dinner too. They don’t really seem to enjoy it when we do, though…
I imagine they’re conflicted: spending a long time with someone they don’t like is exhausting, but they also wonder if simply having sex and getting paid is really enough.
Well, it’s complicated.
If they ask, I’ll do my best to accommodate what they want…
I want to be a papa who puts as little burden on them as possible…
🏅 日没を遅らせる唯一の方法は日没に向かって走り続けることだ
名古屋支店登録で、男性会員としての登録名もマックさんです。コラム多数書いてますのでよろしければご参照ください。20代の細身女性が好みで逆オファーには前向きです。経験無いまたは少ない方大歓迎。
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
It’s been a while since we’ve had a sensible question, so I’ll answer. I believe that, for women, the right answer, success, and happiness in papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) ultimately mean quitting it.
There are different ways to quit, but ideally, you leave thinking, “This is as far as I can go. I did my best, and I have no regrets.” Keep only the good and enjoyable memories, hold them close, and return to your daytime life. If you’re “not popular at clubs and have no ongoing arrangements, but are practically a semi-pro on apps with lots of regulars,” then affirm yourself by thinking, “I wasn’t particularly successful at clubs, but I did meet men on apps who liked me, so that’s good enough.”
Of course, it’s different if you still feel you haven’t given it your all. It’s fine to push yourself by thinking, “I’m not there yet. I can’t quit until I become popular at clubs and establish ongoing arrangements.” But if you quit while still feeling that way, it won’t feel like the right answer, success, or happiness.
I think this applies regardless of whether you’re a man or woman, and regardless of whether it’s papa-katsu.
I’m a man in my 60s who joined Universe Club in 2016, discovered papa-katsu, and has been doing it for over eight years now. Lately, I feel I may be heading toward wrapping up my papa-katsu chapter. I still invite women over during the day and at night and ejaculate twice a day, but I’ve stopped doing things like inviting girls to rent limousines or hotel suites for Christmas and Halloween, which I used to do.
I’ve had wonderfully dreamlike moments, as well as some truly awful experiences. But if you asked whether I would have been better off never meeting the women connected to those bad memories, I couldn’t say yes. Those experiences were still meaningful and precious parts of my life. If you asked whether I’d rather live a life in which I met those women or one in which I didn’t, I’d choose the life in which I did. They added spice to it.
What about you? Can you look back on your papa-katsu life so far and sum it up the way I have?
If you can, it may be time to quit papa-katsu. If you can’t, maybe you should continue a little longer. If you’re in your 30s, you still have some shelf life left.
I don’t know when my own shelf life—or my graduation from papa-katsu—will come, but I feel like I’m gradually coming to terms with everything and finding peace. So I suppose I’ll continue for as long as I’m still capable of ejaculating. Recently, the sense of refreshment after ejaculation has become far more pleasant and longer-lasting than it was when I was young. In the end, it all comes down to the pleasure of ejaculation. Whether money is involved or not, it’s the same thing. For women, I suppose it would be the pleasure of climaxing.
If I had to answer in one sentence: if papa-katsu lets you experience a physical climax, then maybe it’s fine to continue. Don’t overcomplicate things by worrying about the allowance or your self-esteem. Those are merely relative comparisons with other people, and have no real value in your own life.
🏅 倶楽部女性のご主人様に潤いを!
Mパパ、永遠の交際継続中!
B1タイプ〜A寄りパパです!
会う度大人は嫌と感じる方………ご相談ください。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
How do you view papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan)? Do you see it as a job, like working at a cabaret club or as a hostess—something you can compete in—or simply as a way to enjoy some extra comfort and fulfill a few additional needs?
You probably started papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) because you had some reason to feel that you needed more money than you were making before. If you can meet that need in your own way, I think it’s fair to call that a success.
I think happiness through papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) is similar to happiness through working at a cabaret club or as a hostess. It’s not necessarily the activity itself that makes someone happy, but the way they choose to live. Likewise, you may find happiness in the life that papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) helps you create, rather than in papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) itself.
Also, no matter where you meet someone, you may feel happy simply because that person has become part of your life. If you find a papa (a male supporter) like that, you may even come to see him as a life partner.
When it comes to papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan), I think simply taking the plunge—even just to try it—is already the right choice. Taking action isn’t easy.
However, once you take that step, this is a world where clear results show themselves very plainly. That’s especially true at an arrangement club. The reason is that men don’t have to compromise, unlike in the hostess or adult-entertainment business. It’s a very harsh reality.
Only a small percentage of popular women get to choose freely—and the same can be said of men in some respects.
Update
After reading the response:
If you’re hoping to continue seeing a man from an arrangement club:
> I still feel like I’m entertaining him.
Unless you gradually—or, to put it bluntly, fundamentally—get rid of that feeling, I think there are very few men from arrangement clubs who will want to continue seeing you. This isn’t a hostess or adult-entertainment service.
At a hostess club or similar venue, an ordinary girl who treats a man that way can become the most popular woman in the establishment.
But what men seek at an arrangement club is the complete opposite. They’re looking for something they can’t get from a commercial service.
A papa (a male supporter) wants the woman to enjoy herself and show her true self. Since she receives an allowance and they have a special relationship, he wants her to say what she really thinks and even show her selfish side. As they build a unique relationship based partly on compatibility, it can develop into an ongoing arrangement…
I think you can stop acting as though you’re entertaining him—being overly considerate—by more than 80%. In reality, you don’t have to do it at all.
I believe that will help you find someone who wants to continue seeing you.
A~Dまで一通りオファーの経験あり、多くても月1程度でLINEはスケジュール調整のみ、スマートに無理なく長期交際するスタイルです。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
I can’t say what’s right for that person, but in the short term, I think the key is “continuity.”
Even in the sex industry, smart women prioritize repeat customers.
During their newcomer period, they work often, provide good service so that desirable men will continue seeing them, and avoid meeting men they dislike.
To protect your mental health, it’s important not to meet lots of random, questionable people.
Wouldn’t the same apply to papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan)?
Clubs don’t look favorably on women who are active on apps and similar platforms.
If you’re essentially a semi-professional on an app and already have several monthly arrangements, I think you should simply value those relationships.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
What’s right, what counts as success, and what makes someone happy differ from person to person. And even if something feels right at the time, that may change later.
For example, there’s a saying that “marriage is a woman’s happiness.” While that may technically align with what you’re asking, would it really be a satisfying answer for you?
Personally, when I hear that phrase, I just think, “That may be true for some people or in some situations.”
Ultimately, these are things each person has to feel and evaluate for themselves—not things for others to define.
🏅 プロおぢ。ほんとはプロパパと名乗りたいけど名乗るほどの実力がない名古屋の汚っさんです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
I’ve met more than 170 women through Universe Club alone, but there’s only one I can confidently say, “I’m making her happy.”
That’s how difficult papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) really is, in my opinion.
I don’t think my allowance is particularly low, so purely in terms of the terms of the arrangement, I probably wouldn’t be considered a bad papa. Even so, there’s only one woman I genuinely feel I’ve been able to make happy.
It’s completely natural that you’re struggling with this question.
Papa-katsu may look easy at first glance, but I think it’s just as difficult as real-life dating or marriage.
I don’t understand it at all either—what happiness is, or what success in papa-katsu actually means.
Fortunately, I found one woman—not my number one—and I have no regrets about papa-katsu because of her. But even I don’t know how I managed to build this kind of relationship with her.
Even if I did the same things for you as I did for her, there’s no guarantee that you would become happy.
Sorry, that doesn’t answer your question at all, does it?
Papa-katsu is really difficult. I’m struggling with three more women I feel I need to make happy.
What actually makes a papa-katsu girl happy?
It seems like the ideal outcome would be for her to fall in love with her papa and enter a romantic relationship, while he continues supporting her financially. But then there’s the question of how you find a papa like that in the first place.
By the way, yesterday I seriously confessed my feelings to a woman I met through Universe Club. Maximum cringe, right? lol
I told her, “I like you. Please go out with me.”
On the surface, she seemed happy and replied, “Yes! I’d love to. Please treat me well♡” But I have no idea how she really feels inside.
*I’ll continue giving her money, too. To me, money itself is love.*