For a first date, club rules require giving the woman ¥5,000–¥10,000. So the ¥10,000 you gave her at the beginning was the ¥10,000 honorarium required by the club rules.
Then, toward the end of the meal, if you asked her, “Would you like to have an adult relationship after this?” and told her the allowance would be ¥50,000, giving her only ¥40,000 would be fraud—specifically, allowance fraud.
It’s strange that no one calls it fraud. Maybe the women are being kind, or maybe the person paying has the upper hand in the relationship. Who knows?
However, if you clearly said, “Would ¥50,000 including the honorarium required by the club rules be okay?” and she agreed, then it wouldn’t be fraud.
That said, I can’t imagine someone in the club being so petty as to make that kind of argument. If you said ¥50,000, you should give her ¥50,000.
If you casually insist on such a petty idea as though it were obvious, it becomes:
“I paid ¥10,000 for the meal, and we agreed on ¥50,000 for the relationship. I already gave her ¥10,000 at the start, and the meal cost ¥10,000, so is it okay to give her only ¥30,000?”
Of course not.
Someone even worse might say:
“I paid for the hotel, so we agreed on ¥50,000 for the relationship. Does that mean I can give her only ¥20,000?”
That would clearly be fraud, and grounds for immediate expulsion from the club.
If you’re thinking that way, please don’t use Universe.
If you said ¥50,000, the basic rule is to give her ¥50,000.
If you only intend to give her ¥20,000, you would need to say something like, “I’ll deduct the meal, the hotel, and the honorarium required by the club rules, so I can only give you ¥20,000—is that okay?” from the beginning.
If there’s a man like that, please report him properly to the club and give him the lowest rating in the post-date review.
If several people give him the same rating, he will be automatically expelled from the club.
Of course, she’ll be happier in the moment if you give her an additional ¥50,000.
However, she may then expect to receive ¥60,000 next time.
To avoid that, it’s only natural to clearly negotiate the terms before entering the hotel…
I don’t make offers these days, but I used to treat transportation expenses and the allowance as separate things and give them separately.
Whether that was a good idea or a bad one, our relationship just kept going, and even after five years, we’re still together（笑）
I make sure to clearly specify which one it is first, then negotiate.
For example: “It’s 50,000 yen including transportation, so how about adding another 40,000 yen?”
It depends on the terms you agreed on with her. I don’t think there are any fixed rules or standard practices.
Personally, I consider transportation money a thank-you for coming to the first dinner, so I treat it separately from the allowance. To avoid any misunderstanding, I make it clear when discussing the allowance that I’ll give her both transportation money and an allowance on the first day, but there won’t be any transportation money after that.
