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Apr 30, 2023 18:17
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Perhaps for that reason, I sometimes ask them about other men. I’ve heard that many male members in their 60s or older pressure them to have sex without condoms or to deal with it using the morning-after pill, making it difficult for them to refuse. Of course, I understand the view that it’s fine if both parties agree, but I can also understand how women around 20 might be pressured into it by older business owners. Whenever I ask, they say they’re always worried about the risks of pregnancy and disease.
Even though these are private arrangements based on mutual consent, I feel that it might help, even a little, if the club had a policy stating that it does not recommend such practices.
The men are also apparently quite savvy about it, bringing up the subject only after the second meeting and convincing the women that going without a condom is standard at the club. I hope you can let them know that this is not the case.
I’m sorry if this sounds like I’m criticizing how other men conduct themselves, but I hope you’ll consider it. Thank you.
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迷わない70代
Male
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パパ活歴11年目、回答者歴8年目の関西在住者。パパ活終活中(笑)
Age: 70 or older
👨 Male
Former Universe member
I’m a lost 60-something.
Apparently I was specifically asked to answer as someone in their 60s, so here I am(笑)
Yes, I do allow adult relationships. Some women have asked me to “leave it as it is,” but I chose to use protection(汗)
Some women say “thank you” when I put it on, but I tell them that it’s only natural—and that a man might get the wrong idea—so even if they’re grateful inside, it’s better not to say it out loud.
So, following Mac, I’d like to make my innocence clear as well.
🏅 あなたの味方
お役に立てれば幸いです。
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe staff
You write things like “Please consider it,” but this is a question box. Please direct requests to the company.
Normally, posts that aren’t questions are hidden. The only reason this one isn’t hidden is that some people feel discouraged when an answer they took the trouble to write becomes hidden because the post received replies.
That said, we also don’t want people thinking they can freely submit requests just because they’ll be displayed. Posts that aren’t questions will be hidden. Please be aware that they may still be hidden even after receiving answers.
With that in mind, since I’ve gone to the trouble of writing this, let me add:
> Even though it’s a matter of free love and mutual consent, the club’s policy is not to recommend it.
If you’re saying it’s free love and mutually consensual, then what meaning does a policy like that have? I feel that the club’s policy only becomes meaningful if you can clearly say that it isn’t based on mutual consent.
Of course, if you say it isn’t mutually consensual, many men will probably ask, “Then is this a sex service?” “Are the women employees of Universe?” “Are they being forced to do it?” So it’s a complicated issue.
Speaking of which, when AIDS first became widely known in Japan several decades ago, apparently there was discussion about whether soaplands could be legally required to provide condoms, or at least be instructed to do so.
But apparently the conclusion was that even soaplands aren’t places where the government officially permits sexual intercourse, so that wasn’t possible. Japan really is a strange country.
Anyway, I’ve gotten off track.
Ultimately, since it comes down to mutual consent, the important thing is not to consent to something you don’t want, and to refuse if you’re uncomfortable.
In the end, it’s crucial that people protect themselves.
That said, there are probably men who will force themselves on someone. Under the former law, it was difficult to pursue such cases as rape, but the law has gradually changed: the offense of rape became “forcible sexual intercourse,” and now it is being changed to “non-consensual sexual intercourse.”
In Japanese legal terminology, if the wording becomes as broad as “non-consensual,” it may become possible to bring a case by saying, “I consented to using a condom, but I did not consent to sex without one.”
Of course, without evidence, that would be impossible, so the hurdle remains high when you consider that you would need proof that the man said he wanted to go without a condom.
But if we consider men and women equal, requiring evidence is standard in other situations too, so I don’t think this is necessarily an especially disadvantageous position.
At the very least, simply changing the charge to “non-consensual sexual intercourse” would be a significant improvement.
Now all we can do is hope that relevant court precedents continue to build.
🏅 パパ活歴7年目突入
彼氏/既婚/他パパ/セフレOK/全力応援
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
Is it really fair to conclude that it was a business owner in his 60s based on the opinions of only a few people?
Even young, ordinary couples sometimes do it without condoms.
If a woman doesn’t want to, she needs to refuse. That said, some women may be willing to take the risk for the money.
Men are also taking the risk of STIs by doing it bare, so if both parties consent, I suppose there’s not much to be done.
Since we’re all adults, I doubt many women genuinely believe that going without a condom is the norm.
Could this have been written by a woman pretending to be a man?
Were you pressured into going bare by a business owner in his 60s? If someone forces you to do it without protection, forget the allowance, get away immediately, and report him to the club.
Other
That’s true—I’ve also encountered people who tried to do it without protection. I refused firmly, but there have been times when someone pinned me down by force.
Whether they were from Universe or an app, I feel there’s always a certain number of people who want to go without protection. I think the best approach is to report them to the club or on the app, never see them again, and make sure to clearly discuss using condoms before entering the room so it doesn’t happen.
I understand wanting the club to make some kind of announcement, but since its role is to arrange the first meeting, the reality is that you have to protect yourself after that. Honestly, I’d like the club to address it too, but that may be difficult. Still, I think it’s worth telling the person in charge at your branch via LINE or another messaging app.
🏅 日没を遅らせる唯一の方法は日没に向かって走り続けることだ
名古屋支店登録で、男性会員としての登録名もマックさんです。コラム多数書いてますのでよろしければご参照ください。20代の細身女性が好みで逆オファーには前向きです。経験無いまたは少ない方大歓迎。
Age: 60s
👨 Male
Universe member
> Early
> There may even be some among the answerers, haha.
As far as I know, the only answerers in their 60s are probably Date-san, Moyoeru-san, and me—but was there really someone who didn’t use protection and relied on the morning-after pill? It wasn’t me.
I’m not trying to pick a fight, but please don’t write things that could cause strange, unfounded misunderstandings. I’ve said many times that I answer questions because I’m waiting for reverse offers, haven’t I?
Thank you.
🏅 大阪の昼寝引きこもりトレーダー
スペ90以下のひとを厚く囲い込み、一生面倒見て実質一夫多妻で大切にしたい独身です。
Age: 50s
👨 Male
Universe member
If you both agree beforehand and the allowance is ○ times higher, I don’t see a problem.
Of course, forcing it or doing it without consent is out of the question.
Other
Just sharing my opinion.
There are plenty of decent business owners in their 60s and beyond, but I can understand why some people say that a certain number of them are pushy and forceful. Some of the people answering questions here are like that too(笑)
I was taken advantage of by people like that until fairly recently, but once you figure out how to handle them, there’s no one easier to manipulate. And if that still doesn’t work, ignoring them—or simply showing no interest—is the most damaging response, so it’s effective.
There’s absolutely nothing to gain from spending time with people like that. You don’t become stronger from painful experiences with them, either. It’s the genuine high standards of truly decent people that make you stronger.
Rather than putting up with them for a short-term allowance, if they won’t cooperate, I recommend ignoring them and showing no interest.
That’s all—this was just an opinion, not an answer.
Other
I’m glad to say I’ve never met a man like that…
Even though it’s considered free dating, women are receiving an allowance, so it can be hard for them to speak up or say no. I hope more people think the way you do. I believe that would make women feel more comfortable dating.
The woman who meets someone like you may be very lucky!
いっつ・みぃ
Male
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Age: 50s
👨 Male
Other
The club is a company that arranges dinner meetings between men and women.
It’s me.
Age: Private
👨 Male
Universe member
This isn’t a suggestion box.