I basically agree with Marika-san. I’ve never failed to receive my allowance using that approach, though I may have run into strange people like the person who asked the question. Maybe it just comes down to luck…
If negotiating the allowance might put him off or make him dislike you, don’t bring it up in the first place. Just stick with good papas (male supporters). I feel like most papa-katsu (compensated dating in Japan) works out pretty well that way, but maybe there have been more strange papas lately…
If you’re unhappy that he won’t give you an allowance unless you ask, I think you should simply not meet him again.
You might end up going on one date for free, but can’t you just accept that much as unavoidable?
Marika
Age isn’t really relevant here.
Most men assume that relationships through a club come with an allowance as a given.
But if you can’t bring up the subject of an allowance yourself when you haven’t received one, then I’m afraid this may not be the right activity for you.
> We’ve made plans to meet again, but he hasn’t invited me to have an adult relationship (intimate) yet.
Usually, during the next date, he’ll feel out whether it seems okay to ask you that day. If it seems like you’d be receptive, he’ll ask; if it still seems too soon, you’ll probably just have dinner and go your separate ways.
So even if he hasn’t asked you yet, if you give off the impression on the day that you’d be open to it, I think he probably will.
However, sometimes the man won’t mention the allowance. If you assume you’ll still receive it, he may make some strange excuse like, “I thought this was a romantic relationship,” and refuse to pay.
In that case, the man is 100% at fault and is taking advantage of the woman’s kindness. But that doesn’t mean you should simply let yourself be deceived.
If he asks you, make sure to ask him clearly how much allowance you’ll receive.
When he’s the one asking, there’s nothing strange about bringing it up. In fact, you can consider it perfectly normal.
If he doesn’t ask, perhaps you haven’t shown enough of an opening. In that case, since there’s not much else you can do, you might try saying something like:
“Why haven’t you asked me?”
“I’m having a hard time financially…”
Normally, it would be best to wait for the man to ask, but since you posted this question, I assume you may not be able to wait that long. So I think it’s understandable to tell him directly.
> Last time, with someone else, I was kissed and had my breasts fondled at the end of our second dinner date, but I didn’t receive any allowance.
Were you supposed to receive it? Had he said something like, “I’ll pay you if you let me touch you”? I’m not entirely sure what happened.
Usually, it’s standard to go to a hotel and receive your allowance. So if he promised to pay but didn’t, please consult the club.
If they don’t help you, contact Maezawa through the inquiry form below this page, and I can at least look into it.
Someone who lies isn’t a gentleman. You should be able to say something like:
“You need to be careful about this, and you need to pay the agreed amount.”
If that isn’t possible, leave the club.
> If the woman is close to his age, would he want to date her without an allowance?
No. He made an offer to a club woman, so I don’t think that’s what he wants.
With Type B, there are also cases where the man won’t make the first move, so you could either tell him yourself that you’re okay with an adult relationship (intimate), or consider switching to Type C.
